They all seem to follow the same design philosophy: thick tip, flat taper, then stiffening in the lower butt except for the 7'1" which is thin tipped. (Jim Lowe), I've made at least 5 of these rods and none were a 3/4-wt. They look to me like parabolic tip sections mated to fast butt sections. This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the title Payne. How it cast's and do you think I should have a look at some other 8.5 foot tapers before i start? I like parabolic rods so this is no real surprise. Regarding model numbers. 0.248      75          0.268          0.134 This is why I only build my own tapers now. If so, why then are so many classic  rods so seriously overdesigned?     5    .0725 The taper I have for the Payne 8 foot 3 piece 5 wt. 65 - ferrule 10 -.103 80 - .296 (begin swell) IT IS TWEAKED. 0.105 A couple of years ago I made a 8'6" 3 piece 5 wt that I have listed in my notes as derived from a Payne 104. 30   .289    .195    .085 (Jim Lowe), I'm hoping to make a Payne 101 as my next rod. 20 - .134 When I look at the taper as  it is in DR's It just doesn't look right. The rod is 7 1/2', 2pc. I just thought someone might be interested in one more take on this wonderful 8' 3/2 5 wt. (Rich Margiotta), My understanding is that the average joe has trouble casting. Download for free on all your devices - Computer, Smartphone, or Tablet. I am really curious about what it is about the design of this lighter version of the 201 that it can still handle this line weight, and apparently well, too! But why? Max Payne (computerspelserie), een reeks computerspellen Max Payne (computerspel), het eerste spel in de Max Payne-serie Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne, het tweede spel in de Max Payne-serie; Max Payne 3, het derde spel in de Max Payne-serie; Max Payne (film), een actiefilm uit 2008 I have made a few of these big Dickersons, and they seem to me to be just "brute force and ignorance", to use a hackneyed quote - pick 'em up and put 'em down again,  whereas the Gillum has a magnificent action. They  are  mostly over .003/inch. 66 5/16 (against the female ferrule) (Bill Walters), Payne 100 7.5 Ft 4 Wt     75         .289     20         .133 It moved way up on my list of rods to build. Should be a fun castoff! (4.0 oz. LOL  (Ken Paterson), I agree but if a customer asks for a specific rod. for a faster, but great dry or nymphing rod. 0.188 Note that I said essentially, as I am not a man of taper numbers but of feel. Now my question: Can somebody tell me his experience with this rod. There are 10 snakes plus the stripper. 34 (against the female ferrule)      Line Weight 4 My records are pretty incomplete from years ago, but the reason I am asking for some help here is that I seem to recall that years ago I built this 202 rod (claimed by the 1951 Payne catalogue to be Fast DF action) only to find it to be pretty slow and deliberate; like, I am afraid, most 3-piece 8 footers I have built. This guide does not cover issues related to printing labels with the third party dymo labelwriter software. Does anybody have a taper for a Payne 104? Is this correct? 55" = .244      15          0.101          0.051 .072    .085    .108    .125    .139    .153    .164    .172, .184    .195    .216    .229    .237    .253    .262    .268, .276    .289    .300    .311    .333    .385    .385    .385, Looking at how Payne chooses line weights then it does look like a 7wt. Remember that the tapers changed slightly from the three eras of Jim Payne rods (now, I am just approximating eras here). Suche ein Taper aus und melde es uns mit diesem ONLINE FORMULAR Durch Anklicken des Modells kannst du das Taper herunterladen Up-locking aluminum hardware over walnut spacer. (Robert Kope), This is per Dennis Higham. 40 1/4 65" = .274 Maybe the 0.006 for varnish is too much? Any help would be much appreciated. 34    .276    .184    .072, Deduction for varnish 0.004  (Paul Gruver). 80" = .315 20 - .285    `                20 - .202                  20 - .111 Find your next favorite new, used, or vintage instrument—or sell one of your own. 61 1/16 For sale here is a Payne Model 100 bamboo rod in unused and original condition with the original paper-wrap still on the grip. I think the drop over the ferrule is very important to the feel of this rod, so if you get the taper from a computer program, extrapolate the taper into the ferrule from each direction. (Steve Weiss). (Jim Lowe). They are, when you get the timing right, cannons. (Neil Savage), I cast a couple of Payne 101's at Super Boo 2 in Maine, nice rod, 7.5' 5 wt. I think the taper submitted by George Maurer might be like this with the number of compounds that show in the stress curve(not Dennis Higham's submission). If you want all the fly rod tapers in a single MS Excel file, I've got it here: drtapers.xlsx. 0.175 I don't think Jim Payne liked true parabolic action. 25 7/8 70 - .274 What am I missing? 7 1/2' for a 4 weight line. 0 - .067 Obviously, Steve and Mike measured 2 very different rods, but they both were marked, by Jim Payne himself, as 201's. 0.203 (Dennis Higham), That’s the one I have also. Bekijk … A faster rod that is easier cast by those used to graphite. Whereas, I could not find/purchase/afford a 198 of that era, I called Hal Bacon, described the action, and he replicated the rod exactly as I later cast that one right next to my friend's early 198. 95 - grip I got it from him a couple of years back to make a new tip for one that was down. The Payne 101, 7'6" for 5 weight is a great taper for general river fishing situations. Yes, Tim...agree. What you think? 45 - .205 A latent finding from the study The Mayo Clinic performed a study with 242 men in the early group had achieved full recovery of erectile function following prostate surgery, not all men have a condition that interferes with the effectiveness of PDE5 inhibitors. The one in Jacks book looks very light for a 7wt with 6 thou taken off for varnish? 99 $29.99 $29.99. by Catskill » 03/30/10 12:20, Post I'm not sure if the following numbers are the L or H taper of the 204 rod. by Catskill » 04/01/10 16:56, Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited. for my son, and liked it so well I'm making one for myself. (both 7'9",5wt's). Thanks for the taper, it looks like a great rod. 45 3/8 The Garrison is also a shorter rod, so would presumably be that little bit stouter in this regard as well.     70         .277 Check thm over carefully for typos before using. A bit more length, but not so much that it puts it out of the same category as the P97. (Ralph Tuttle), Some sites say deduct .004 from the taper for varnish, and some don't say anything.      Construction Hex ==Demografie== Bij de volkstelling in …     30  .146 This rod gets a lot of use. Paynes aside, I am open to suggestion here. 34   .276    .184    .072, Deduction for varnish 0.004      Rod Name Payne 100      Deduction for varnish 0 This board is for discussing the collecting of bamboo fly rods, both classic and modern. (Markus Rohrbach). Get it as soon as Tomorrow, Jan 21. Does anyone have experience with both of these rods, they appear very close to being equal, but i dont have either so thats a guess on my part, any info would be helpful before i go an buy one. 7 1/2 feet, 2/2 for a 5 weight line (some like it with a DT4). 4.7 out of 5 stars 6,977. tapers is illustrated below. This taper was very popular at last year's CRR. (Reed Guice). 5" = .089 The only Payne 104 taper I can find is in David Ray's taper library.     * 7'9" for 4 or 5wt I like to make rods I can  fish, so a mid-weight rod is most desirable (4-6 wt. (Bob Norwood).      50          0.191          0.096 Jim Payne continued to make rods under the Payne name until his death in 1968 and left behind a legacy in rod making still discussed with reverence today. 25 - .271                      25 - .191                  25 - .093 I think we know a lot more about rod design these days. (Joe Arguello), Looks to me as if Payne didn't make many Para's either that or I don't have them. Join millions of music makers all over the world on Reverb. (John Channer), That should be .173 and .190. Neat rod. " 32 - .254                      32 - .171                  32 - .067. (Peter  McKean), I've decided to build a Payne because of how often they get mentioned here.      5            0.070          0.035 I have a bit of a mystery. (Tom Smithwick), As always Tom thanks for the speedy reply. I guess H stands for heavy and L for light. I use them all regularly, but  Payne  the most. Incidentally how does the Payne handle distance? What is the experience of any of you who have made #102 or cast one? The Payne 98 Remains One of Payne’s most Celebrated and Best Known Models. Hal can give you better insight than I.  I  am looking forward to casting the 198L next to the 100 and adding in a Leonard 65L for comparison. Remember that the tapers changed slightly from the three eras of Jim Payne rods (now, I am just approximating eras here). 20 3/8 60" = .263 . (Doug Easton), I made a Young Perfectionist (parabolic) and didn't like it a bit. Which taper would you recommend?     35  .158 When I have a look at the taper I think the dimension of the tip is to small. Payne 204L. We were fishing hard over a large brown trout on the Brodhead when he asked me to try the rod. (Bret Reiter), Tips Home - What's New - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - Contact Us - Taper Archives Rather than being stiff in the middle and flexible in the butt like Young and Ritz they are flexible in the middle and get stiffer toward  the butt. 30" = .172 Is it possible to handle a streamer or a heavy nymph with this rod? Rod Name Payne Canadian Canoe     * 7'9" for 6 or 7wt. The two well publicized tapers are so dissimilar as to be totally different rods, one being a fast action, Dickerson like (from Ron Barch), the other much deeper flexing although the latter is reported as being a modified taper (Ted Knott).     0           .063     20  .112  5 - .078 Christmas Missives - Chat Room - Photo Galleries - Line Conversions - The Journey - Extreme Rodmaking - Rodmaker's Pictures - Donate - Store. If you compare the figures with eg. 90" = .350 Payne tapers are excellent and very consistent when they are made within the same timeframe. In 2014 I purchased a Payne #100 taper bamboo rod blank to build into customized rod to present to my grandson as a Christmas present. stripper 77, winding check at 92 11/16" (Jim Lowe), OK I was gonna take offense to that statement..........then I saw the word average!     55         .239 Payne and Payne Photography has been providing the highest quality portraits for students and parents in the Sacramento Valley area since 1960. (Tor Skarpodde), Thanks a lot for your comments. Could the convex taper of the Payne really make  such a  massive difference? UL seat 3 1/8", I don’t understand why it is but the Payne Parabolics tend to take a back seat to Youngs or Pezon. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing which rod came first. However, my taper was modified using RodDNA, and it is not consistent with having been derived from David Ray's using either controlled modification or stress values. I guess I picked the wrong one for me. What species do fish for with your bamboo rods. a Garrison 209, the dims in the first 40” (which are possibly the most critical in terms of line weight definition) are consistently 0.010 or more thinner than the Garrison (2 line weights lighter if you go with Ray Gould’s rule of thumb and significantly lighter even if you don’t)! (George Bourke), If you want "crisp" action, IE a faster rod then either the 101 or the 7', 4wt .. 98. To quote what Mike wrote on Clarks: "Rev. PHY Perfectionist (Bill Walters) PHY Midge PHY Driggs River PHY Perfectionist PHY Para 15 PHY JJ Pezon & Michel Ritz Fario Club Hardy Tourney Payne 100H Dickerson 6611 Dickerson 7613 (Danny Twang) Its a medium Payne so in my experience is meant for one line weight higher than folks would attribute today. and a rod  that feels one weight lower while fishing. When I first cast this rod, I fell in love with it. I think you should do your best. This is a perfect example of what screws up most new rod makers.     64  .234  (interpolated) (Neil Savage). (Steve Weiss), I may be mistaken but the taper above looks more like a 3/4 wt to me. The fat end of the tips should be right at .202" Mike BUTT 0 350 5 350 10 350 15 310 20 285 25 268 30 248 ↳   Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella..... ↳   Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. Casting with a Triangle Taper 5 wt, this rod was very impressive. All If anyone who cast it last year wants to weigh in here, have at it. 90 - grip (Jim Lowe), The Payne model 100 is a 2 piece rod, The 3 piece rod that is similar is the model 197 which is the slower of the 7'6" 3 piece rods. This is an 8’ 0“ 3/2, weighing 3.5 oz. The tip itself seems to have the stress curve of a parabolic rod and the butt is stronger. 23 5/16 Station Dimension 0.218           .340 to the end of the butt. In 3 piece configuration the 197 is a 7 1/2' fast 6 wt. What line are you using with the 204? (Gary Marshall), I've made 4 or 5 of the Ron Barch version and I like it a lot. The 100H is essentially a Payne 100 butt with a heavy (H) tip, somewhat faster tip. All nice rods. For some reason all of the 100Hs I have ever seen that were marked on the tag were from the late 1940s. Did you notice the triple convex taper a la Vince Marinaro?     90         .353 I prefer 2 piece rods, but that’s not a show-stopper. Station Dimension Form Setting with an extra tip.     67  .246 , Furnace user manuals, operating guides & specifications Hi, this is max payne hehe.Press s00bskrib if u liek and like if you don't. 70" = .283 Shawn posted it to the list../2001.     10  .090 For the remainder of the rod the dims are essentially 0.005 or more thinner. 40 - .194 (Peter McKean), I agree, I made a Dickerson 8015. The Jim Payne 101 is in my opinion the best rod ever designed and built for fresh water fishing for trout! By the way, it's a 7'6" for a 5-weight, so, as you can see, Jim Payne designed this rod with you in mind! The 7'6" was not cataloged, I believe. The numbers are almost identical...I made the 100h and it was a really nice rod..Nice 5wt that will chuck a wooly bugger with authority. Thanks for your help on selecting a Payne to build! P100 (Payne 100) 7 1/2 Foot, 4 Weight, 2 Piece, 2 Tips. Ferrules are size 12/64. Steve Blake masterfully restored the rod's varnish and bluing. (Scott Turner), I made a Payne 98 (7', 4 wt.) A couple of years ago I thought I might build the ultimate 7'9" parabolic 5wt by blending the Payne and the Para-14 until I looked at the stress curves. (Gary Nicholson), Payne Canadian Canoe 8.5 Ft 7 Wt      70          0.244          0.122 (Ken Paterson). 0.163 Line Weight 7 I would agree without taking the 6 thou it's a 7wt but with 6 thou off it's got to be a 6wt. I ran both these tapers through HexRod to get the stress curves, and the results are quite interesting. 0.295 (Gary Nicholson).     50         .227 I’m hoping this will be a fairly  straightforward question. (Steve Weiss). The original that I took the taper from was made by Payne for Abercrombie & Fitch, NY.     100       .353  (Markus Rohrbach). I have a grand total of 4, of which two look the same (79 and 214),  the 79 has a butt swell. Fishing it all day will wear out your arm. (Hal Manas), I should have mentioned that there are a several  Payne Parabolic tapers out there. Anyone rate them? 0.152 For a heavier rod (7'6", 5 wt.) I use Swiss ferrules, so the butt gets turned full round while the tips just get the corners rounded off slightly, with Accraglas epoxy they hold just fine. The next rod I want to make should become a #5-6, 8.5 footer. After some time gambling around with the taper I ended with a stress curve very similar to the Payne 204. I love the feel of my original Payne 100 and also an early 198, owned by a friend. The format is a bit messed up, but when you realign the columns you get: Butt      Mid      Tip So what would you recommend as the correct one to make. When you compare graph of the dimensions, though, there really isn't much difference, suggesting that one may well have been a refinement of the other. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for Freshworld Compatible Labeling Tape Replacement for DYMO LetraTag 91331 S0721610 Plastic Tape Refill, Black on White,1/2Inch (12mm) x 13Feet,for DYMO LetraTag Plus LT-100T LT-100H QX50 Label Maker, 4P at 0.261 The 101 is the fluid taper throughout without any loss of feel.     25         .145 How does this work? (Markus Rohrbach), I have built and use the following 8.5 footers . you might look at the Waara 5 weight. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. DYMO LetraTag 100H Plus Handheld Label Maker for Office or Home. I buy that, I'd initially put that .229 at 65. I have never had a buyer complain about this taper. Can anyone give me the correct taper for the Payne Canadian Canoe. If you want a rod with a bit more punch have a look at the Granger. If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article. I can't remember for sure, it could have been, but I usually use it with a 5. Neither is drastic, though. Any opinions I have are personal preferences that are influenced  by my casting style and the type of fishing I do. It's in Jack Howell’s book, but he tells you to take of 6 thou for varnish. It looks like it started out looking like Mike's taper and ended up more like a slow Payne 198. 74 5/8 (Stripper). 5/6 line weight. 7652 7ft. I have yet to try other lines so I might like it better with a different line. I would expect a Parabolic to be significantly less than that. It will be my first venture out of the Paul Young taper family. 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